Credit and Collection News now lets you post comments and discuss all the relevant news on our newsletter. Check out what our readers are saying about the Credit and Collection Industry.
This Article by Dean Kaplanwas originally published on our Blog at The Kaplan Group. At our commercial collection agency, we aren't afraid to talk to attorneys. When we call a debtor and they tell us to talk to their attorney, our biggest fear is that the attorney will not actually talk to us.
Once we are instructed to talk to a company's attorney, we are no longer allowed to contact people at the company directly. All communication must go through the attorney once the company has identified who represents them and the law firm confirms they have been retained. Unfortunately, all too often the attorney will not communicate with us after this initial confirmation.
There could be a number of reasons for their lack of communication. The attorney may not have the information from their client to have an informed discussion. Or, the attorney may also be owed money by the client and does not want to invest more time until they have been paid. The attorney may be so involved in other cases that we aren't even on page 1 of their priority list and there will be a long delay before they can devote attention to the issue. In all of these situations, there is some chance that eventually we can talk to the attorney, have meaningful conversations, and ultimately resolve the matter.
Alternatively, the attorney may be refusing to engage as a defined strategy agreed to with their client. They realize that if they don't talk, our only option is to file a lawsuit. This can be a very effective debtor strategy if they believe the circumstances make the chance of litigation very small. For example,if the cost to litigate is high relative to the amount owed, it may not make economic sense to file a lawsuit. Or, if the debtor's financial situation is unclear, or worse, known to be poor, they know it will be difficult for the creditor to justify investment in collection litigation when the chance of eventually getting paid is highly uncertain. When a debtor is using this 'hiding' strategy, it means they have decided that in no circumstances will they consider paying anything unless a lawsuit is filed.
We find this situation very frustrating, as we know that if we can't get engagement, we don't have any chance of collecting without litigation. Somehow this is worse than being stonewalled by the debtor, as we have many different strategies to pursue in that situation. For our clients, this is an insult added to the injury of providing goods or services and not getting paid. Their customer, who they trusted to keep their payment commitment, has now spurned them in a defiant manner. Thankfully most businesses do not utilize this effective yet ethically questionable strategy.
The chances of collecting on an invoice due from a company that has ceased operating are very slim. If the business was organized as a corporation or LLC (limited liability company) then only the business entity itself is liable for outstanding invoices. If there are no assets remaining in the entity then the entity has no way to generate cash to pay creditors. We call these entities “defunct.”
It frequently requires significant effort to prove a company is defunct. Websites can be active for a year or more after a company ceases businesses, as the website hosting company may not be aggressive in shutting down delinquent customers. The company’s phone may be working with voice mail for many months after operations cease. Owners keep the phone service so they can get messages they want but ignore ones that don’t benefit them, such as collection calls and customer service requests. So just because the phone and website are still working does not mean the company is still operating.
At our collection agency, we’ll do extensive research and field work to try to prove a company is defunct before we give up on a claim. We look for alternative phone numbers, addresses, and web addresses for the business and its owners. We call neighboring businesses and ask if they know if the target business is still open. Usually they confirm our worst fears that it is closed, but occasionally we learn the business is still open. Then it is clear the phone is not answered and messages are not returned when the topic is a past due amount. At that point we know we need to take an alternative approach in the debt collection process.
If the company's phone is no longer in service, that usually is a very bad sign. It is almost impossible to keep a business going if customers cannot reach a company. If we confirm a company is closed it is usually cost prohibitive to confirm that there are no assets remaining. Business owners are not obligated to provide financial information and rarely even respond to creditors after closing their company – they are focused on finding a new source of income. The only way to force the owner to provide the information is to file a lawsuit, get a judgment, and conduct a debtor exam. Given the cost of the legal process and the low likelihood of recovery, the return on investment potential is not high and our clients rarely can justify this investment.
A company that goes out of business is not obligated to file bankruptcy. It typically costs about $3,000 to hire an attorney to file bankruptcy. Most small business owners rightfully choose to not spend money just to officially bankrupt a company as they don’t get any value for this expenditure. In most cases we see, bankruptcy is only filed if the owner is also filing for personal bankruptcy protection or to deal with personal liability related to tax penalties and interest.
For our collection agency, well over half the claims we close without collecting are invoices due from defunct companies. In 95% of these cases, the invoices were very old before they were turned over to us. Had third-party debt collection started sooner there would been a much better chance of getting some recovery.
As explained in prior articles onand, there is a chance of collecting when the company is defunct if an individual is legally liable. However, in most cases where the business was the owner’s primary source of income, their personal financial condition is probably very poor. We often find it can take a couple years before they bounce back financially and we can then collect on their personal obligation. Thus, getting a can have value. But, the best way to avoid not getting paid by a defunct company is to escalate the collection process sooner and get to them before they go out of business.
|Overview | RFP / RFI | CCNEWS.TV | Training|
|Conference 13 | Conference 12 | The CFPB and The Debt Collection Industry - What You Need to Know | Conference 1 Highlights | Conference 4 Highlights | Conference 2 Highlights | Conference 3 Highlights | Conference 5 Highlights | Conference 7 Highlights | Conference 6 Highlights | Conference 8 | Conference 9 | Conference 10 ||
|Look for Jobs or Post a Job | Classifieds | Business Listings|
|Attorney | Collection | Consultant|
|Site Blog | Chat | Editorial | Contact Us|